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paulstar
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
There is a lot of talk in various threads about foot strength/ finger strength too short, too tall, too fat, too etc etc...

The common theme is how does one improve one's level of performance? I thought I'd offer up some general characteristics of elite performers not just in climbing but in a variety of sports. These are some generalizations I've observed based on working with elite athletes from many different sports over the last 15 years. Often you can tell who is going to be an elite performer right from the start i.e. even when they are beginners. One of the athletes I worked with became an Olympian 2 years after starting his sport. You could see his potential right at the start. Sure he had good physiology but a lot of people do. It was how he used what he had that made the difference.

1. They are crazy about what they do. This gives them the single mindedness to pursue their goals.

2. They accept the learning process. They are willing to invest the time to become elite. They realize that if it was easy to do that everyone would be able to do it.

3. They accept the body they have been given. many people are all too willing to say well I just can't do that. (For example) I'm too short. Answer: Hwy impose those limits on yourself? learn to use it. What the hell else are you going to do? Grow? The elite athlete says I have to find an inventive way to get more reach. you can lose weight, optimize strength but elite performance is about learning how to use YOUR body to its best advantage. Its not a toaster you can take back to Walmart and demand your money back on.

4. They accept failure without excuses. (note in this context I am not equating failure with death or anything gruesome..failure is not achieving a goal). One (never going to be elite) athlete I worked with had a reason for everything, not enough warm up too much warm up wrong gear (he was a cyclist) sick, poor weather etc etc. He could never just say 'I went fast, the other guy went faster' He spent so much time analyzing things that he never came to the truth which was that he just needed to put more work in.

5. They don't beat them selves up when they fail. If you tell yourself you're a worthless piece of shit everytime you fail it will get in the way of achievement. Everyone has bad days. Say oh well and MOVE on. That's what makes the good days feel so good when they come.

6. They don't trade short-term gain for long term progress. This ties into being a learner. They don't limit themselves at the beginning to just the things they find easy, because ultimately that will impair progress on long term goals. Heaving yourself up the hardest thing you can find just so you can boast that you climbed a 5.bla bla bla is another example of this. yeah you'll be able to boast, but you won't learn much. I have a friend who is a big strong girl. She heaves herself up the hardest stuff she can. Her style is horrible. She used her strength because that¹s what she was good at. Now she's at the limit of what she can do with the strength she has and the amount she trains, but she sticks with what¹s always worked for her, because she is unwilling to accept a small short term decrement in performance while she learns something new.

7. They look after their bodies and rest when they need to. they don't just train like banging their heads against the wall. go hard some days easy others.

8. They make realistic goals. and then work hard to achieve then. They break goals into achievable parts.

9. They are not so fixated on their own opinions ('I am the only person who know what is right' that it impedes progress. Conversely they don't listen to everyone. The have to ability to distinguish sound advice from babble. They play with suggestions and adapt them for their own situation.

10. Their self-esteem is not tied up in how well they perform and what people think of them with respect to performance. This ties into not limiting themselves to things they do well and accepting failure.

1. At the very highest level it is not enough to do most things right. Everyone does most things right. you have to do everything right. Elite performers pay meticulous attention to details.
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Brian
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
[snip]

Sue, fantastic post. Thanks.

-Jay, who's beginning to understand that it _is_ 90% mental)

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salibello
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Great post
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Expecting happiness to increase with performance is silly and can only result in frustration, anger and disappointment. Is there some crazy sign out there that says 'Climb 5.12 and be happy?' What's up with that? The only tangible benefit that I can see from increased performance is access to more climbable routes with fewer crowds. In fact, even that benefit is mitigated by the difficulty of finding climbing partners with matching skills. I can get lots of folks to climb with me up Royal Arches. But Reed's Direct? Serenity Crack? Thank God for Karlee...

It's much saner to just enjoy what you climb *now*. You will get better. And you will also get worse. Guaranteed. Fugedaboutit.
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Freedjocd
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
Well... I agree with you in a way... but it's also true that improving, *in itself*, is rewarding. That's one of the coolest things about climbing, how something totally impossible at one point becomes possible. Also, sometimes harder climbs are just more fun, particularly with gym climbs. It can get really boring and frustrating to be stuck on the same stuff. I do think accomplishment brings happiness, even if it's not an accomplishment that others would necessarily be impressed by (i.e. climbing something hard for you but easy for most).

I agree with a lot of what Sue said, but at a basic level, I do think genetics and body type limit what individuals can do. For instance, you can talk about strength/weight ratio and say 'well, just lose weight if you need to', but people actually have metabolic set points that determine body weight and fat content, and losing weight can be almost impossible, not just a question of giving up the morning donut. I also think some people could inherit better natural muscle fiber recruitment, tougher tendons, etc. etc. That's not to say that everybody can't make the best of what they have and improve, but I just don't believe that anybody who tries hard enough can climb 5.12 or whatever. I know people who are totally dedicated, trying as hard and as smart as they can, always listening to advice and still plateaued at 5.9. Reducing their efforts to 'you're just not trying hard enough' or worse 'you just don't have the right attitude' is kind of condescending.

I really like something Rick D posted here a couple of days ago. 'It's not you versus Chris Sharma, it's you versus you'. That works for me. have fun and value yourself and your climbs, but there's nothing wrong with trying for your personal best.
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Iron Sun
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Posted 2 Years, 5 Months ago permalink
I disagree. Is 'happiness' going to increase with increased difficulty? No, probably not. But will enjoyment of the sport? For many of us I think the answer is yes. I enjoy the more complex movements required to climb harder routes.

[snip]

Jay (the real fun starts at 5.10c)

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Posted 2 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
For me anything on real rock is still 'ooh wow whiz bang', but I certainly sense this indoors. It's a rare route setter who can make easy climbs interesting, and I just can't get to Pacific Edge all that often. Huge, slopey jugs and endless strength moves bore me. Little holds and balancey stuff is fun.

Hmmm, I guess I wouldn't know. (: I do think I've had some fun though... unless I was just imagining it...

There is something about climbing at one's best, right at the limit (whatever that might be), and not falling, that is intoxicating. I don't get that feeling on routes that are easy for me. I also love the feeling of improvement, of mastering something that was once difficult.
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misha23
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Posted 2 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Well thats kind of my point. Let me boil it down to one thing. You can't pick you parents or your body. But you can becide to maximize what you have, and that means not settling for self imposed limits and training by banging your head against a wall.

>'It's not you versus Chris Sharma, it's you versus you'.

exactly!.
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Housseinafghani
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Posted 2 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Karl,

First off, I agree with you. I'm a relative gumby and a relatively poor climber - been climbing a little over two years, started just before my 40th birthday and am awfully excited that I'm ekeing out the occasionaly 5.10 in the gym. So I'm not going to offer an opinion about where climbing happiness lies ... but.

I've been riding bike for about my whole life. Some years I ride hard. Some years I ride thousands of miles a season, training, events, races, mountains. Some years I drop back to piddly levels (like now) where I'm riding 50 miles a week with my riding partner of the past 10 years. I've learned some important lessons:

Some years you ride fast. Some years you ride slow. The cycle is longer than you'd like it to be. What matters is that you are riding. Deal with it.

I try to take that into account when I'm climbing. It's either in PRC or How to Climb 5.12 that says something very similar - some times you're going to climb well, some times you're not. On the nights when you're not, accept it, and make the best of it.

All that said ... this thread was about *elite* performance. That's something completely different.
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Posted 2 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Well yeah, but all I want to know is, Who is John Galt?
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Terra
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Posted 2 Years, 4 Months ago permalink
Sue's posting has tons of wisdom in it but I can't agree that those points embody qualities of Elite Performance. I have met quite a few elite climbers and they are individual and quirky, with little of the common sense, balance, and moderation suggested in the points.

Some people just have it, or are so nuts that they go out and get it.
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